Fee for Counseling Service — another CPT code

cptwowWow, you could have had a CPT code and $60.  While fee-for-service is widely excoriated for excessive cost what is CMS doing?  They want primary care providers or someone to have another fee-for-service.  The fee is for “counseling” about lung cancer CT screening and “counseling” about weight loss.  Both things that are currently part of an office visit with no additional CPT code — just good patient care.

Both topics could easily be covered on YouTube in several languages but NO — lets do this the old fashioned way and spend a zillion dollars for each provider to reinvent the discussion each time.   CMS:  don’t be so lazy — make the patient education video and tell primary care providers the URL!  And, update the video every 6 months.

The bottom line:

  • Lung Cancer CT Screening:
    • Don’t do it if the patient can’t have surgery
    • Don’t do it until the patient has 30 pk yrs accumulated (number of packs per day times number of years)
    • Don’t do it if the patient is less than 55 or over 80 years old.
    • Don’t do it if the patient quit smoking more than 15 years ago.
  • Weight-loss counseling:
    • Say in a loud voice “you weigh too much” then say “eat less”.  (that was not so hard!)
    • Doctors have been doing this for decades without sustained  results.
    • There are 20,000 books about diets to loose weight without sustained results.
    • This is not going to work — at least be honest.

Follow the money:  

Counseling fees for CT scans is an incentive to do the CT scans.   The primary care provider makes money, the x-ray office makes money and the radiologist makes money.  A better idea is to have the radiology office pay the primary care provider for the counseling out of CT revenue so this is a no-sum-gain.  Better yet — make it a provided service under an ACO plan!

Counseling fees for intensive weight-loss is an incentive for lots of repeat visits or a referral.  The Primary care provider makes money (and changes from a primary care provider to a specialty provider).  The incentive reduces the pool of available visits for primary care with little if any benefit to the vast majority of obese people.  A better idea is not to add another CPT code.  If the patient needs more time — make another appointment!

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